Unable to die: soul? SURPRISING FACTS.

[James]

Unable to die: soul? SURPRISING FACTS.

PLEASE VERIFY IN REFERENCE WORKS THESE FACTS BELOW:

The Hebrew (OT) word for "soul" is "nephesh'. The Greek (NT) word
"psykhe".

Almost all the churches teach that humans have an immortal soul. They
can't give a description of its structure, just that it is invisible,
attached to the body somehow, always survives death, contains your
exact personality, and can't literally ever die. Can't die, really?

-- King James
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls [nephesh] are mine; as the soul
[nephesh] of the father, so also the soul [nephesh] of the son is
mine: the soul [nephesh] that sinneth, it shall die.

So where did all this 'IMMORTAL soul' stuff come from? The Bible?
Surprising to many, NO! Then where? What source?

"Early Judaism considered the human personality as a whole, without
making a sharp distinction between body and soul....The Christian
doctrine of the soul has been strongly influenced by the philosophies
of Plato and Aristotle."
(Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia)

So 'immortal soul' has a pagan origin. Not a Christian origin.

Yes the word "soul" is in the Bible. Its VERY FIRST use in the Bible
is with FISH! Yes, that's right, fish:

-- Darby's Bible
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living
souls, [nephesh] and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of
the heavens.

Then, are fish immortal? They wish.

The first use of the word "soul" with a human, is at Genesis 2:7:

-- King James
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living soul.

So what happened here? When God breathed into Adam the breath of life,
Adam BECAME a "soul". He was not 'given' a soul. So the word "soul" as
used here, means a whole person; mind and body.

That's the same use that control towers use when talking to flying
commercial airline pilots. They will ask them, "How many souls on
board?". Souls here means persons.

Did you know the soul can eat meat? (didn't know that?)

-- King James
Deuteronomy 12:20 When the Lord thy God shall enlarge thy border, as
he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because
thy soul [nephesh] longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh,
whatsoever thy soul [nephesh] lusteth after. [brackets mine]

Also, the soul has blood:

-- King James
Genesis 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives [nephesh- soul] will
I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the
hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the
life [nephesh- soul] of man.

One can strike a soul dead with a literal sword:

- King James
Joshua 11:11 And they smote all the souls [nephesh] that were therein
with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any
left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire.

Yes, a SOUL CAN DIE!!! Be dead, kaput, kick the bucket, push up
daisies, expire, be deceased, kissed off, bites the dust, croaked,
slept with the fishes, met their maker, checked out, passed away, put
to bed with a shovel, climb the greasy pole.

I hope this has helped those searching for TRUE AND REAL Bible
teachings. Again, let me remind you to please verify the things above.

Sincerely James
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Christ taught in Matthew:

5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee:
for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and
not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed
of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
the world:

25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Over time the hebrew idea of the afterlife changed. First early in the OT
the afterlife was a holding place where the dead were not aware of their
situation.

By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the
righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of
torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the reserrection
in a place of contentment. The two place doctrine is reflected in the last
two verses above.

This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.
Christ used the very common understtanding of the doctrine of the afterlife
of 1st century jews to make His point in the parable.

[James]

On 16 Feb 2024 21:37:25 GMT, servant wrote:

To servant's readers,

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for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and
not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

In the Bible, OT "hell" is translated from the Hebrew word "sheol".
The NT "hell" translates from the Greek word "hades". (please verify
these)

The "hell" in Mt 5:30 above, doesn't come from either of those words.
THUS IT'S NOT AN ACCURATE TRANSLATION HERE. The Greek word translated
as "hell" there is "Gehenna". (please verify) Thus a more accurate
translation would read:

-- New American with Apocrypha
Matthew 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and
throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than
to have your whole body go into Gehenna.

Gehenna was Jerusalem's garbage dump that was constantly kept burning,
and draws its name from the "Valley of Hinnom" Nothing living was
supposed to be tossed into there. The Jews during Jesus' time knew
about it. Thus Jesus used it to symbolize everlasting destruction.
(like something being totally burned up in a literal fire) Notice:

"Gehenna was the Hellenized form of the name of the valley of Hinnom
at Jerusalem in which fires were kept constantly burning to consume
the refuse of the city. This is a powerful picture of final
destruction."
(The New Bible Commentary) (please verify)

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25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed
of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of
25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye

Here again Jesus uses FIRE to represent complete destruction. Even the
demons knew that they were not to be alive forever in fire. Notice:

24 “What have we to do with you, Jesus the Naz·a·rene´? Did you come
to destroy us? I know exactly who you are, the Holy One of God!” (Mark
1:24)

Yes, they knew their punishment was DESTRUCTION, not eternal torture.

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Over time the hebrew idea of the afterlife changed.

Negatrons. The afterlife in the NT was the same, but just added more
details.

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First early in the OT
the afterlife was a holding place where the dead were not aware of their
situation.

Not only their situation, but the dead were not aware of ANYTHING.
Notice these Bible truths. (2 Tim 3:16)

-- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha
Ecclesiastes 9:5 The living know that they will die, but the dead know
nothing; they have no more reward, and even the memory of them is
lost.

- King James
Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in
that very day his thoughts perish.

Yes, the dead "know nothing" because their "thoughts perish" at death.
Jesus and Paul referred to the dead as "sleeping".

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By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the
righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of
torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the resurrection.

The BIBLE (not most of the churches) teaches us that ALL the dead go
to the same place to await a resurrection; both good and bad.

-- New American Standard
Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves,
that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and
the wicked.

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in a place of contentment. The two place doctrine is reflected in the last
two verses above.
This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.
Christ used the very common understtanding of the doctrine of the afterlife
of 1st century jews to make His point in the parable.

Yes it's a PARABLE. Notice the word "parable" means:

"a short allegorical story designed to convey a truth or moral
lesson." (The Random House College Dictionary)

Sincerely James
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[James]

On 19 Feb 2024 19:04:16 GMT, servant wrote:

To servant's readers,

Post by James

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for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and
not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Friend james tries a slight of hand:>

I really do a new one; slight of toe.

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In the Bible, OT "hell" is translated from the Hebrew word "sheol".

The source of Christ's discussion of the afterlife is not the OT but the

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The NT "hell" translates from the Greek word "hades". (

Yup, the meaning the jews had adopted by the 1st century; see blow for it

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The "hell" in Mt 5:30 above, doesn't come from either of those words.
THUS IT'S NOT AN ACCUR

ATE TRANSLATION HERE. The Greek word translated

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as "hell" there is "Gehenna". (

Yup, as in strongs greek; the goto source for greek word meaning used in
Gehenna, a valley W. and South of Jer., also a symbolic name for the final
place of punishment of the ungodly Original Word: ge'enna, y*s, ...
Matthew

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25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye

Here again Jesus uses FIRE to represent complete destruction.

No, the core reference is "everlasting"; destruction would be time limited.

"Everlasting" contrasts the resurrection which is not everlasting.

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Over time the hebrew idea of the afterlife changed.

Negatrons. The afterlife in the NT was the same, but just added more
details.

Shame; I have given you the hebrew/jewish discusssion of the topic. it
provides the biblical and non-biblical hebrew/jewish religious writing
sources.

Yes, they are non-Biblical. Thus can be corrupted.

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First early in the OT
the afterlife was a holding place where the dead were not aware of their
situation.

Not only their situation, but the dead were not aware of ANYTHING.

Well duh, the same thing in different words.>

Post by James

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By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the
righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of
torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the resurrection.

The BIBLE (not most of the churches) teaches us that ALL the dead go
to the same place to await a resurrection; both good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

You snipped out the Scriptures showing the dead are not conscious. (Ec
9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4)

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

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the wicked.

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in a place of contentment. The two place doctrine is reflected in the last
two verses above.
This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?

"a short allegorical story designed to convey a truth or moral
lesson." (The Random House College Dictionary)

Post by James

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Christ used the very common understtanding of the doctrine of the afterlife
of 1st century jews to make His point in the parable.

So what was the 1st century Jews understanding of the afterlife?
(right after dying)

Lazarus had died. Jesus told Martha, his sister, that Lazarus will
rise. NOW HERE IS HER BELIEF OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT:

"Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the
last day.” (John 11:24)

There was no belief that he was now in Heaven, or that he was burning
in a hellfire. No, the Jewish belief was that when people died both
good and bad went to "sheol" (OT hell) or "hades" (NT hell), to await
a resurrection of the good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

Thus IN THE BIBLE "hell" is the GRAVE, NOT a 'hellfire' place.

Sincerely James
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By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the
righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of
torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the resurrection.

The BIBLE (not most of the churches) teaches us that ALL the dead go
to the same place to await a resurrection; both good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there
shall be a resurrection of the
dead, both of the just and unjust.>

Post by James

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

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the wicked.

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in a place of contentment. The two place doctrine is reflected in the last
two verses above.
This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?
"a short allegorical story designed to convey a truth or moral
lesson." (The Random House College Dictionary)

Post by James

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Christ used the very common understtanding of the doctrine of the afterlife
of 1st century jews to make His point in the parable.

So what was the 1st century Jews understanding of the afterlife?
(right after dying)
Lazarus had died. Jesus told Martha, his sister, that Lazarus will
rise.
There was no belief that he was now in Heaven, or that he was burning
in a hellfire. No, the Jewish belief was that when people died both
good and bad went to "sheol" (OT hell) or "hades" (NT hell), to await
a resurrection of the good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

Yup; friend james just using other words confirmed the two place of the
afterlife awaiting resurrection and final judgement.>

Post by James
Thus IN THE BIBLE "hell" is the GRAVE, NOT a 'hellfire' place.

Smile, not as you are able to support using the best jw vatican rotely
taught plugin info.

[James]

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Post by James

Post by James

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By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the
righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of
torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the resurrection.

The BIBLE (not most of the churches) teaches us that ALL the dead go
to the same place to await a resurrection; both good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there
shall be a resurrection of the
dead, both of the just and unjust.>

Post by James

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

Post by James
the wicked.

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in a place of contentment. The two place doctrine is reflected in the last
two verses above.
This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?
"a short allegorical story designed to convey a truth or moral
lesson." (The Random House College Dictionary)

Post by James

Post by unknown
Christ used the very common understtanding of the doctrine of the afterlife
of 1st century jews to make His point in the parable.

So what was the 1st century Jews understanding of the afterlife?
(right after dying)
Lazarus had died. Jesus told Martha, his sister, that Lazarus will
rise.
There was no belief that he was now in Heaven, or that he was burning
in a hellfire. No, the Jewish belief was that when people died both
good and bad went to "sheol" (OT hell) or "hades" (NT hell), to await
a resurrection of the good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

Yup; friend james just using other words confirmed the two place of the
afterlife awaiting resurrection and final judgement.>

I erred above. I said "Jesus told Martha". It was actually Martha told
Jesus. That was the understanding at the time, which was correct.

Now as for the afterlife, there are 3 possible destinations. Heaven
(the 144,000), Gehenna which is also the Lake of Fire (non-existence
for the bad), and a Paradise earth (for the "meek")

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Post by James
Thus IN THE BIBLE "hell" is the GRAVE, NOT a 'hellfire' place.

Smile, not as you are able to support using the best jw vatican rotely
taught plugin info.

I support using all Bible translations. (probably yours as well)

Sincerely James
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By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the
righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of
torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the resurrection.

The BIBLE (not most of the churches) teaches us that ALL the dead go
to the same place to await a resurrection; both good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there
shall be a resurrection of the
dead, both of the just and unjust.>

Very good, the scripture bit confirms that the afterlife has two parts as
above from which all the dead await Resurrection. NNothing in the bit
refutes the idea of the 1st century afterlife as above.

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Post by James

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

Post by James

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This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?

Answer, using ideas common to 1st centurie jews about the two part
afterlife; Christ makes a story to teach His point about how we conduct
ourselves toward each other. Christ doesn't use chinese ideas about an
afterlife; He uses those ideas with which all around Him are aware. A
parable using the chinese ideas would be meaningless to make His point.

[James]

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Post by James

Post by James

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By the 1st century it had changed into the two place aftrlife; one for the
righteous and the other for the unrighteous afterlife. One was a place of
torment,ie. hell and the other,ie Abraham's bosom awaiting the resurrection.

Oh really, Pray tell what it is?

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Post by James

Post by James
The BIBLE (not most of the churches) teaches us that ALL the dead go
to the same place to await a resurrection; both good and bad. (Acts 24:15)

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there
shall be a resurrection of the
dead, both of the just and unjust.>

Very good, the scripture bit confirms that the afterlife has two parts as
above from which all the dead await Resurrection. NNothing in the bit
refutes the idea of the 1st century afterlife as above.

Post by unknown

Post by James

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

Post by James

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This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?

Answer, using ideas common to 1st centurie jews about the two part
afterlife;

The Bible shows what the Jewish thinking was in the first century.
Concerning the dead Lazarus, his sister Martha told Jesus what she
believed would happen. John 11:24,

"Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the
last day.”

So she didn't say he would be in Heaven. And she didn't say he was in
hellfire. Nor after Lazarus was resurrected, did Lazarus say he was
living somewhere else. NO, HE WAS JUST A NON-CONSCIENCE BODY IN HIS
GRAVE. (Ec 9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4)

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Christ makes a story to teach His point about how we conduct
ourselves toward each other. Christ doesn't use chinese ideas about an
afterlife; He uses those ideas with which all around Him are aware. A
parable using the chinese ideas would be meaningless to make His point.

Unless they had Chinese takeout at the time. (:>)

Sincerely James
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Post by James

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Post by James

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

Post by unknown
This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?

Answer, using ideas common to 1st centurie jews about the two part
afterlife;

The Bible shows what the Jewish thinking was in the first century.
Concerning the dead Lazarus, his sister Martha told Jesus what she
believed would happen. John 11:24,
"Martha said to him: I know he will rise in the resurrection on the
last day.
So she didn't say he would be in Heaven. And she didn't say he was in
hellfire. Nor after Lazarus was resurrected, did Lazarus say he was
living somewhere else. NO, HE WAS JUST A NON-CONSCIENCE BODY IN HIS
GRAVE. (Ec 9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4)

Smile, she did not mention the afterlife in any form; she is silent on the
two place afterlife any jew knew. Why would she provide details all
already knew? She did not expect heaven/hell; as above only aftr the
resurrection/final judgment would all go o their final reward.

Post by James

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ourselves toward each other. Christ doesn't use chinese ideas about an
afterlife; He uses those ideas with which all around Him are aware. A
parable using the chinese ideas would be meaningless to make His point.

Unless they had Chinese takeout at the time. (:>)

[James]

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Post by James

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Post by James

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

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This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Sorry, but you are wrong EVERY time.

Sincerely James
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will bite the dust soon.
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Post by James

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Post by James
Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?

Answer, using ideas common to 1st centurie jews about the two part
afterlife;

The Bible shows what the Jewish thinking was in the first century.
Concerning the dead Lazarus, his sister Martha told Jesus what she
believed would happen. John 11:24,
"Martha said to him: I know he will rise in the resurrection on the
last day.
So she didn't say he would be in Heaven. And she didn't say he was in
hellfire. Nor after Lazarus was resurrected, did Lazarus say he was
living somewhere else. NO, HE WAS JUST A NON-CONSCIENCE BODY IN HIS
GRAVE. (Ec 9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4)

Smile, she did not mention the afterlife in any form; she is silent on the
two place afterlife any jew knew. Why would she provide details all
already knew? She did not expect heaven/hell; as above only aftr the
resurrection/final judgment would all go o their final reward.

Post by James

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ourselves toward each other. Christ doesn't use chinese ideas about an
afterlife; He uses those ideas with which all around Him are aware. A
parable using the chinese ideas would be meaningless to make His point.

Unless they had Chinese takeout at the time. (:>)

[James]

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Post by James

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Post by James

Yup, a afterlife "place" of two divisions.

Post by unknown
This is also reflected in the NT parable of the rich man and the begger.

Like I said that you snipped out. Jesus was saying a parable. So what
is a parable?

Answer, using ideas common to 1st centurie jews about the two part
afterlife;

The Bible shows what the Jewish thinking was in the first century.
Concerning the dead Lazarus, his sister Martha told Jesus what she
believed would happen. John 11:24,
"Martha said to him: I know he will rise in the resurrection on the
last day.
So she didn't say he would be in Heaven. And she didn't say he was in
hellfire. Nor after Lazarus was resurrected, did Lazarus say he was
living somewhere else. NO, HE WAS JUST A NON-CONSCIENCE BODY IN HIS
GRAVE. (Ec 9:5,10; Ps 146:3,4)

Smile, she did not mention the afterlife in any form;

"afterlife in any form"? What do you think the word "afterlife"
means? It is two words joined together: "after" + "life". When a
person dies, his "life" is gone. Then if they are resurrected, they
are beginning a new life. Thus Martha briefly spoke of a new life in
the "form" of the resurrection.

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she is silent on the
two place afterlife any jew knew. Why would she provide details all
already knew?

Really? By your statement you mean Jews did not know about the
resurrection, and that is why she mentioned it? Is that what you
believe?

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She did not expect heaven/hell; as above only aftr the
resurrection/final judgment would all go o their final reward.

She did not go into any details on what happens AFTER the
resurrection. The churches teach they immediately go to Heaven or a
sadistic hellfire place. (I really hate it when they demote God to
worse than a murderous criminal!!) Of course that IS the personality
of their god, who is mentioned at 2 Cor 4:4.

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ourselves toward each other. Christ doesn't use chinese ideas about an
afterlife; He uses those ideas with which all around Him are aware. A
parable using the chinese ideas would be meaningless to make His point.

Since JW's go only by the Bible, then you are saying that no
Scriptures fit. Are you sure?

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Post by James
Unless they had Chinese takeout at the time. (:>)

I don't think Buddha had set that up yet. Maybe he was waiting for MSG
to be discovered.

Sincerely, James
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